I finished the part in Tegtmeier’s book dealing with Nazis. Sadly it turns out that Tegtmeier joins the group (David Irving, Jochen Thiess, Henry Picket, Walter Schellenberg), who claim that there is evidence that Hitler did not believe that England would declare war with Germany if Hitler attacks Poland. Either these people are Hitler apologists, or they want to get their work published by not telling what they actually think happened. Otherwise I cannot explain such a view, since they must rwalize that this so called evidence is only some words that Hitler told to Nazis or other Germans. Naturally, if Hitler had infiltrated the Nazi party, his words to members of the infiltrated organization are no evidence of anything. Instead, we have to look at his deeds.
When the UK had given guarantees to Poland, the basic assumption is that if Germany attacks Poland, the UK declares a war on Germany. This is what happened. Thus, Hitler may well have assured other Germans that he is certain that the UK will not declare a war, but he could not have been sure of it himself (unless he had a dream and he really believed on dreams, which I strongly doubt). Hitler did not have any such assurance by a secret agreement guaranteeing that the UK will not declare a war. He knew that Freemason Churchill was for the war and had considerable influence in England. Thus, Hitler assured Nazis but could not be sure himself. Most probably he thought that the UK will declare a war, as that is the default assumption and if the UK wanted a war with Germany, giving guarantees to Poland was a good excuse for it to declare the war. I would assume Hitler understood that Roosevelt wanted a war and international bankers wanted a world war. As international bankers and Freemasons usually want the same, he could have concluded that Freemasons, like Churchill want a war.
Hitler could assume, like other Nazis could assume, that the UK will not attack immediately and he can proceed with the attack to Poland. This was so because the UK was not prepared to an immediate war. France also did not attack. That was less certain, but from the attack to the West it seems that Hitler got some information from French plans, maybe from friends in England. This being so, Hitler could have simply waited. The phony war would have continued and Hitler could have proposed a peace. Instead, Hitler attacked as soon as weather conditions allowed it: it was raining for most of the time and planes could not be effectively used in rain. The attack does not show that Hitler wanted to avoid the war.
During the attack Hitler let the British to evacuate form Dunkirk. This action should at least have been discussed with the military staff. While it might be seen as a proposal for peace, defeating the British in Dunkirk would also have encouraged the British to make a peace. Hitler’s action helped the UK to stay in the war.
If the goal of letting the British to evacuate in Dunkirk was to show that Germany has no ill intentions, then the Battle of Britain does not fit to the strategy. This air war weakened German air forces in a serious way: German pilots, landing on the enemy area, were either shot or taken as POWs. British pilot losses were smaller. The number of planes and airports did not matter as both sides could produce enough planes and Germans could not destroy all airports. This action (which could not possibly have lead to the invasion of England) destroyed Luftwaffe and practically guaranteed German defeat in the war.
Hitler made several peace offers to British (and later to the USA), but it is the content of the peace offers. Germany could not conquer the UK and after Hitler was in war with France, England, the Soviet Union and the USA, that is, summer 1941, it was clear that Germany will lose the war. The peace offer should have been formulated to reflect this reality: Germany should have offered to withdraw from all occupied area, give some of its own area, pay reparations for all damages, and change the government. Obviously, this is not what Hitler offered, so the offers were rejected.
The flight that Rudolf Hess made to England is also sometimes given as a piece of evidence. It is possible that Hess had a peace offer from Hitler, but as said, Hitler did not offer such a peace that could have been accepted: Germany was going to lose. I do think Hess made the trip with sincere hopes of being able to agree a peace, but Hess was a person, who had joined the Thule Society believing in the ideas of that society. Hitler was sent to DAP by German army intelligence as a spy. That is a difference. We should not expect that a spy shares the beliefs of the organization that is spies.
The simple reasons why Hitler would have been an infiltrator in the Nazi party are as follows:
1) He was sent to DAP as a spy, that is, an infiltrator. DAP already had the name NSDAP at this time and according to Tegtmeier Hitler did not invent much of NSDAP ideas: they were all from the Thule Society. The whole story how Hitler joined DAP is absurd. Sebottendorf, the leader, stepped aside and Eckart, Hess and Rosenberg were looking for a future dictator to appear. Then they approve Hitler, sent there as a spy by German army intelligence. One comes easily to think that what really happened is that Sebottendorf had promised Eckart, Hess and Rosenberg that the correct man they need will be sent to them soon.
2) The Thule Society was created by von Sebottendorf, who had Masonic connections, and it is very reasonable to doubt that the Thule Society was any real anti-Semitic, anti-Bolshevik rightist Aryan secret society. It is very likely that it was Theosophic anti-Semitic secret society, which had the goal of pushing Jews to Palestine. Sebottendorf become a Mizraim Freemason in Turkey. Turkish Freemasonry was closely connected with Donmeh, crypto-Jews, followers of Jewish Messiah Shabbatai Zevi. They believed that the Messiah will be reborn as many times as needed in order to take Jews to Palestine and to destroy the enemies of Jews. This must have been the real goal of Sebottendorf when he created the Thule Society.
3) Hitler made very many errors in the later part of the war. His errors caused the German defeat. Germany would have lost in any case, but much later. We may ask if these were errors or sabotage.
4) If the Thule Society was set up by Masonic circles for driving the Jews to the East to be later sent to Palestine, then NSDAP must have had a spy. This spy must have been in the position to decide the outcome of the war. In NSDAP such a person could only be Der Führer. Masons and Jewish bankers would not have accepted Nazi German victory, even though they needed Nazis in order to uproot Jews in order to take them to Palestine. The persecutor of Jews had to be destroyed. They had to be sure that Germany loses and needed their man to make it sure.
These four logical reasons are much stronger than any comments Hitler told other Nazis of being amazed that England wants to have a war with Germany, a racial brother. Only a very strong Freemason-Zionist-denier (a new world order denier) would consider such comments as evidence of anything. There is also a simple reason why Hitler wanted a war with the UK. Hitler transported Jews to the East. He did not try to exterminate them, as is shown by demographic calculations. Therefore Hitler wanted to settle Jews somewhere. A simple reduction of alternatives shows that the place where he wanted to settle the Jews was Palestine. The UK was holding the UN mandate of Palestine and was unwilling to let more Jews to Palestine and very unwilling to establish a state of Israel in Palestine. The UK had been forced to give the Balfour declaration under German threat. German threat, in the Battle of Britain, was a possible way to change the British attitude, and after the war the UK did agree to the creation of Israel. Obviously, Hitler had to get the UK into a war in order to get the place where to put the Jews.
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I haven’t had much time to recollect and fully formulate an opinion on this matter. When I have the time I will post a more detailed comment about what I object to in your well argued post and what has intrigued me.
You have given me a lot to think about.
I wanted to know what sort of relationship Hitler had with von Sebottendorf? Does any document exist depicting any sort of personal relationship?
Questions aside, the link between Hitler and these secret societies is markedly interesting.
Because Hitler was a spy, tasked with infiltrating the society, can we find any instance beforehand, any tidbit of documental evidence of his want to restore Jews to Palestine?
What sort of ideology did Hitler have concerning Germany, the German people, and the Jews before his infilitration of Thule?
“I wanted to know what sort of relationship Hitler had with von Sebottendorf? Does any document exist depicting any sort of personal relationship? ”
Nothing is know of this. But Sebottendorf represented an organization, Freemasonry, which had made the antisemitic campaign and wanted Jews to Palestine. Hitler and Sebottendorf did not need to meet and agree anything. It is enough that Hitler was selected by some Freemason or Theosophist to infiltrate DAP. There naturally is a rumor that Hitler spent some time in England. There are the memoirs of Hitler’s nephews mother claiming Hitler lived with them, historians deny it, but who knows.
“any tidbit of documental evidence of his want to restore Jews to Palestine?”
Yes, there is a book in Hitler’s personal library where he has underlined the sentence: Jews must be restored to Palestine. The book was by some antisemite, maybe Gobineau.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/05/hitlers-forgotten-library/302727/
Google search “Hitler’s library underline jews” shows from the link content the phrase:
“calls for the “relocation of the Polish and Austrian Jews to Palestine.” This latter phrase has been underlined and flagged with two bold strikes in”
“What sort of ideology did Hitler have concerning Germany, the German people, and the Jews before his infilitration of Thule?”
Before Hitler’s infiltration of DAP, a party created by Thule. It is not known if Hitler ever attended any Thule Society meeting and it is said that he was not a member in the Thule Society. There are quite many sources (Kubizek, Hanisch) saying that in Vienna most of Hitler’s friends were Jews and he was not at all anti-Semitic. There is claimed to be some evidence that as very young Hitler was anti-Semitic, but that may have been because he heard that his grandfather was a Jew, who had made her grandmother pregnant when she was a servant to Jews. That would rise moral objections, but apparently Hitler later wanted to be a friend of Jews.
http://www.porges.net/JewsInVienna/5WasYounghitlerAntiSemite.html
About Hitler’s attitude towards Germans when just having been sent to a DAP meeting there is the German army intelligence guy, who sent Hitler there. Teglmeier gives a reference to his report: Hitler did not care at all of the future of Germany.
Here is what Hitler really intended:
“Das Gerümpel kleiner Staaten, die heute noch in Europe bestehen, muss liquidiert werden. Unsere Ziel is die Schaffung eines vereinten Europe!”, said Hitler in a NS-Führungscorps meeting in Berlin, Tegtmeier p. 170.
He wanted to create the United States of Europe (EU), just like globalists want, just what Masons and bankers for a long time wanted.